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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  The Rebel

  Viviane I agree the responsibility should "lie with the one making the claim" But for illustration this is why I say " the responsibility does not lie with the one making the claim"

  Now let's assume you just came from the election board. Viviane is now sitting on the bench and everything is absolutely legal. We have just discoverd that I voted more than once.Now this is wrong, but do my two votes count ? Unless you can disprove this matter I would suggest they do.

  So can you prove God does not exist?

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  The Rebel

  Morpheus.

  Thanks & Noted.

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  The Rebel

  
  

  Punk- " I'm confused. punk shuffles away and leaves quietly"

  And the Rebel uses this to assume you were talking about " Onus Probandi" which you weren't.

  Anyway in my definition Viviane " Onus Probandi" is a legal term shifting the burden of proof a person needs to proove their claim?

  The Rebel.

  p.s Morpheus i am not foolish enough to tankle with Viv, I am only trying to ask sincere questions.
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  2. 
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  The Rebel

  Punk " The relevance of dust and bananas was explained well by the Rebel"

  Punk ( Q) Reb,what did you say?

  The Rebel ( A) Actually " Tecnaciousan " I believe was replying to my response to his mustard seed comment.

  The Rebel.
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  The Rebel

  Thanks for the quick reply Viviane. Am I therefore to assume you are saying the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim? If that is the case and you were to say "God does not exist" could you prove that?

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  The Rebel

  Viviane I am a little lost in the formation of your assertion. It appears to me you are simply stating your personal assurance God does not exist? I am sorry if I appear argumentative, ( I am new to not believing in God) please clarify how does your assertion prove or not prove the existence of God?

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  The Rebel

  That which is supported by mere opinion can also be dismissed by mere opinion.

  So here is my challenge, how can we prove or not prove this existence of a being whose non existence is inconcivable?

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  Did Jesus really die on a cross?

  by macys in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.

  when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.

  yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.

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  The Rebel

  If Christians believe Jesus was an innocent victim of the death penalty, then why are so many Christians pro the death penalty?

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  The Rebel

  Anyway as we are coming up to Xmas, let's get in the Christmas spirit and assume Santa Clause is the all powerful God. I mean it could be argued that he controls almost 20% of world fiscal activity. But then again point taken " Cofty" this is is not really adding to " a useful conversation"

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  The Psychological Manipulation of the Watchtower.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when someone interacts with you they can influence your thoughts and also manipulate your thinking.

  i became aware that this is what i was doing with householders on the ministry.

  we chipped away at householders with manipulation, and called it a return call.

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  Darkknight757 " By what you are saying I see why."

  Absolutely, and this is why when the watchtower is willing to disfellowship "YOU", to preserve its secrets and prevent exposure. Therefore we need to be aware of the psychological manipulation and not be intimidated by the threats. Also I think it's important that if possible we do not become angry and unstable, as this is only giving the watchtower the victory.

  The Waychtower controls " YOU" by threats, fear and humiliation. One of the strongest threats and fear it controls " YOU" by is the consequence of disfellowshipping, which can destroy " YOUR" family relationships.

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